Carnival of the Godless #52
![]() I love holidays. But I hate the word "holiday". The reason must be obvious, I hate the origin of the word itself, "holy day". An origin dripping with the very meaning that this carnival stands against; god, religion, superstition, etc.. So, I love celebrations, I enjoy the seasonal distinction associated with celebrations, and I have strong emotional ties to them derived from fond childhood memories. But, I still hate perpetuating their religious origins. It's a nasty paradox for the would be atheist. In preparing for this addition of COTG I was faced head on by this paradox, and I pondered what I should do. Do I follow with tradition, and perpetuate a holiday that originated from pagan religious ceremonies, and was later subverted by Christianity, or do I ignore societal expectations and dismiss with the Halloween trappings and focus simply on the content that has been submitted? Phil for Humanity suggests that we should not only condemn out-dated religious beliefs, but we should also refrain from bestowing upon those that hold those beliefs a respected place in society. And, that instead, we should Support New Atheism a more stringent form of atheism. I'll interpret this as one vote against Halloween tradition. Daylight Atheism holds a similar view, and extends the thought to advocate repealing tax exempt status for churches in Tax the Churches. My support of a Halloween decor would be a purely secular one, would that make it OK? If I don't attach any spiritual meaning to it, does that make it acceptable? Salto Sobrius doesn't know what spiritual means, and suggests that nobody else really does either. Are You Spiritual? So, while Martin apparently can't recommend the use of the word spiritual, he does recommend the most recent Roy Zimmerman album. Over at 10,000 Reasons to Doubt the Fish, olly suggests that "secular spirituality" can be expressed through creativity and music, and begins A ‘Rush’ of Emotion from Sean Prophet with a reference to Black Sun Journal's Rush 'Saved' Me (And My Kids). Olly thought is was worth a link, and I thought so too. Along a similar vein, Reason and Rhyme serves up an article by Dan Barker discussing the agnosticism of Irving Berlin: Patriotism Was His Religion. "Christmas, for Irving Berlin, was not a religious holiday: it was an American holiday. [...] The words to 'White Christmas' are not about the birth of a savior-god: they are about winter, the real reason for the season." All in all, I'll take that as two votes for a secular interpretation Halloween as a seasonal celebration. However, I wouldn't want to force anyone into a Halloween celebration that makes them uncomfortable, or makes them feel unwelcome. Barry of Staring at Empty Pages discusses a similar dilemma in The Dinner Game. Perhaps a better way to approach the holiday, is to consider real horrors as apposed to imaginary ones. Rather than discussing ghosts, or demons, or other make believe maladies, we should instead consider the very real nightmares that our society has created. Whether you agree with the Iraq war or not, it would be hard to argue that what's happening there is not horrible. Westminster Wisdom discusses one aspect of the very real problems applying religious belief to government can create in Faith in Politics, and references Tony Blair's purported faith based decisions regarding the conflict. Part of Blair's justifications for the conflict, were assertions that he had knowledge that was both secret and or "private". Richard of Philosophy, et cetera isn't buying it. In Experience and Testimony he expresses his dissatisfaction with the whole notion of "private evidence". For those that have been slow to enter the political fray, or may still be trying to get off the fence this election season, Stephan of Fearless Philosophy for Free Minds offers up several good reasons why he won't be elected to public office anytime soon in a Personal Attack Ad…Against Myself! Intentional misinformation is a horror often perpetrated by religion. Hell's Handmaiden offers one example in Evolution Isn’t Theology, while The Greenbelt offers another in Enter the Ark. Mojoey of Deep Thoughts exhibits another type of horror, that of morality of personal convenience, in Abandoned Meat. Speaking of horrible, Frank offers a Piece of Propaganda #3: The AA 12 Steps. So where does this leave us? We can't escape our history, as a society we are a fabric woven from the actions of those that came before us. We can only hope to change our future. The fabric of my past enjoys the Halloween holiday. So, (obviously) in deference to the past, I have decided to use the traditional Halloween color theme for this post. But, out of a desire to see a future devoyed of religion and religious influence, I am leaving out the ghosts, goblins, and witches. They don't exist, so why should we honor them. I do think pumpkins are OK, because they evoke the flavor of the season.If then we can only change the future what do we have to look forward to? I'm left with two different takes on our possible future: The Skwib takes a more pessimistic (though very literary) outlook in The Empty Arches, while Wad's Place offers a more opportunistic outlook in I Bring News. Ultimately, it may not matter if, as suggested over at Avant News, it Turns Out God Doesn't Particularly Care About Humans. Tune in next time for COTG #53 at Debunking Christianity. For more information visit the COTG website. |
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5 Comments:
Thanks! A good collection of posts.
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The Ridger, FCD, at 5:24 AM
Excellent job! Great posts, and I love the way you've threaded them together. Deftly done.
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Mark A. Rayner, at 6:45 AM
Help! I can't read your dark purple links against the black background. Is this just because I'm using a Mac? or using Safari?
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Anonymous, at 12:27 PM
Rosie - next time, select the text, copy it, drop it in a Word doc. Read it all you want, black on white.
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Anonymous, at 4:46 PM
Whoa, I must say, you do use the word "hate" a lot, don't you...? Have you noticed it yourself?
(And just in case you're thinking: 'Yeah, so do you!' - think again. ;)
I mention it because there is more than a slight chance that the world seems such a deterministically bleak place to you mostly because of your "optics".
It is obvious that you have been disappointed. (And I am sorry that is so.)
It is less obvious why you persist in the prison that has been imposed on you - why you keep nurturing a mind-frame that has clearly made you unhappy.
You know, this may sound all too obvious, but lashing out against certain outlooks on the world (in the sense of Weltanschaung), and even - absurdly - denying the existence of a category called "the sacred", won't hit the real targets intended: all those who once hurt you. And it won't make your - or anyone else's - outlook any more real. In other words, an individual's conviction that white is really black won't really turn white into black.
I realise that, right now, you're probably unable to accurately take measure of the "world". Only you are "right" - and, obviously, those who think like you (which really means just YOU again), of course.
Everyone else is... I think I can imagine the epithets "they" would deserve in your eyes.
That's because, right now, you're still observing the "world" from inside your solipsistic jail. (Which is somewhat ironic, I might add.)
But that can change any moment.
In fact, my dear friend, I sincerely think you have a better than average chance to follow in the steps of a Saul of Tharsus..:)
What you fear the most will get you - it always does - and pull the rug from under your feet when you least expect it. Only, you needn't be afraid of the "fall".
(And BTW, my mention of Saul doesn't necessarily imply adherence to any religion in particular, or even to religion in general. It is an example, a metaphor.)
I gather you like to read. (Right?)
If so, I would suggest that, before (re)reading the Bible, you read some of Rene Girard's works, for example.
It is always wise to size up the "enemy" before tackling him...;)
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Pretty Polly, at 10:18 PM
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